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    Default Tankless Hotwater heater ????

    I have few questions about tankless hotwater heater. It'll be natural gas unit.
    I'm looking to free up tight space in 1925 house.

    1... How heavy is it? [ average weight]

    2....Do I need to change exhaust stack? I already have 40gallon tank hotwater heater with existing exhaust stack. It is not stainless steel, it looks like galvanized material.

    3....If I change my mind about tankless hotwater heater, I can always install 40 gallon tank inside my crawl space [ plenty head room] but the exhaust stack "might" be the issue that will be holding me back.
    I don't think it is good idea to run stack from crawl space and tied it to existing stack. [ I'll be straight up without any bends but I do know the first few inches / feet from heater must be at certain angle]
    what do you all think?
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    Default Re: Tankless Hotwater heater ????

    I have a Rinnai tank-less heater and love it. Mine runs on propane because natural gas is not available where I am. I can only speak for mine so other manufactures might be different. It weighs only about 40 or 50 lbs so it is hung on the wall. It vents directly through the wall. It has a pipe within a pipe. One brings in fresh air and the other exhausts the spent gases. You need the fresh air as the unit does not use air from inside the house. You would no longer need your stack and if it isn't hooked up to anything else could remove it to free up some more space. The only thing with a tank-less heater is they are considerably more to buy up front but since they are more efficient they will eventually save you money. Hope this helps you out.

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    Default Re: Tankless Hotwater heater ????

    If you use Rennai be advised they have a proprietery vent. It is powdercoated stainless steel concentric vent and a condensation collector and roof termination kit. They do not give these away. They are one of the few who have an outside mounted unitand they also have a direct vent kit that doesn't req. the condensate collector. I have installed Takagi Reliable and more affordable thatn most. My fav. is Noritz their thermal exchanger is the heaviest gauge and their vent is more affordable than Rennai and they are more conservative in their Thermal rise output charts. If you have water that is high in minerals or corrosive do not buy one. I would instead rec. the Ruud Marathon. PB tank inside a 3" thick jacket of insulating foam. True bottom drain. Life time warranty and very efficient.
    Last edited by i.m.plummin; 10-06-2008 at 12:34 AM. Reason: info

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    Default Re: Tankless Hotwater heater ????

    speaking of vent.
    Does it have to be vented to outside atmosphere or inside the house like regular water heater tank?
    I just cannot use outside vent if I install tankless hot water heater in same place where my 40g hot water heater is.
    On other hand, I've been reading and hearing different stories about vent location......what do I know???

    I'm not going with LP, I'm using natural gas. It is what I have now and it is not cost effective for me to change to LP gas.

    Can I use existing exhaust stack?
    "Life does not go by the book, we learn as we go along".

    You only need two tools in life - WD-40 and Duct Tape.
    If it doesn't move and should, use WD-40.
    If it shouldn't move and does, use the Duct Tape.


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    Default Re: Tankless Hotwater heater ????

    Are you talking about combustion air? Because I know of 0 water heaters that vent into the house. If so then I doubt it. They need alot of air. You'll need to have a high+low of the appropriate size or select a unit that ducts in it own combustion air via approved vent. Which is usually the same as the exhaust. Only Rinnai has a combination combustion and exhaust vent.

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    Default Re: Tankless Hotwater heater ????

    Keep in mind if you currently have a tank hot water heater and you switch to a tankless, you may have to upgrade your gas line coming into your house. The amount of BTUs required to run a tankless is usually around 90,000. So not only will you have an up-front cost for the tankless, you might have an additional up-front cost to upgrade your gas line coming from the gas meter to inside your house.

    Just something to consider.

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    Default Re: Tankless Hotwater heater ????

    Well, I switched from electric tanks to an electric tankless (Titan) and I'm free from having to deal with venting. I love the tankless. It's about as big as a phone book, weighs practically nothing, mounts on a wall and gives us scalding hot water.
    Ray @ http://tanklesswaterheaters-howto.blogspot.com/

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    Default Re: Tankless Hotwater heater ????

    Quote Originally Posted by rjdudley55 View Post
    Well, I switched from electric tanks to an electric tankless (Titan) and I'm free from having to deal with venting. I love the tankless. It's about as big as a phone book, weighs practically nothing, mounts on a wall and gives us scalding hot water.
    Ray @ http://tanklesswaterheaters-howto.blogspot.com/
    How is your electric bill?

    How much is the unit?




    By the way everybody.....friggin water heater is leaking now......
    It is Rheem brand and it has plastic drain faucet. That faucet is leaking. I couldn't tighten it anymore without breaking the plastic faucet.
    "Life does not go by the book, we learn as we go along".

    You only need two tools in life - WD-40 and Duct Tape.
    If it doesn't move and should, use WD-40.
    If it shouldn't move and does, use the Duct Tape.


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    Default Re: Tankless Hotwater heater ????

    My electric dropped by at least 30%. And I attribute this to a couple of things. One is that the electric water tanks I had were just flat out not efficient. Having to wrap it in insulation is a good indicator that it's just not well insulated. Second is the fact that it's not cycling on and off all day long. Except for when I want hot water it NEVER is heating anything. To me they're everything they say they are. Again there are some considerations such as temp of the water coming into the house and the size of the house but there are units that fit all sizes of homes.
    Hope that helps
    Ray
    And feel free to email me at gilmanton@gmail.com
    http://tanklesswaterheaters-howto.blogspot.com/

    By the Walt, I love that signature!!

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