thanks for the advice and the laughter one more quick question for anyone who is willing to offer an opinion. Since I cannot add insulation between the main floor ceiling and upstairs floors due to knob and tube, I was wondering about adding/changing insulation against roof rafters. Looking outside while the snow is lightly coming down the outside edges of the roof is melting the snow and you can clearly see from the outside where the joists are there is insulation installed backwards(not by me) against the living portion if you are inside the attic and also along rafters both showing vapor barrier(I said it was a crappy bungalo in Ohio), should I remove rafter insulation or change it to R-19 or better? This should get some of you thinking