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    Default Re: Weight Limitations for 2nd Floor Rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by JLMCDANIEL View Post
    I have to go with Andybuildz on this. Yes, a Victorian era house was made of sturdier stuff but the second floor was usually built to handle bedroom furniture and sometimes the joists were not even set on ledger boards. You already have a kitchen with the appliances and cabinetry weight and you don't know the condition of the joists, they may have had many cutouts in them over the years do to earlier remodeling. I've seen floor joists almost completely cut out to make room for plumbing of duct work. I think it is irresponsible to recommend not worrying about them because the are old full dimension lumber.
    Jack
    That's exactly what I was envisioning when I read the post before yours.
    How many old houses I've disected for one reason or another either to do a repair or some kind of alteration only to find the beams butchered by previous trades...."especially" plumbers.

    In my own house...a circa:1680 you should only have seen the butchering that was done to this place. And it's been here way over 300 years.
    Someone added three windows to the eave side of the house and joined together (no studs between them)....get this...never added a header over them. Thats about 15' span!! I took the windows out when
    I added on. the entire 12x12 above where the header should have been was cracked clean through and the entire corner of the house was sunk down until it was leaning over. I had to add 4 18" lam beams I think it was after I jacked the corner of the house up. It WOULD HAVE come down on someone eventually!!.........So never say never...RIGHT?!
    Always err on the paronoid side...lol.
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    Default Re: Weight Limitations for 2nd Floor Rooms

    First of all, the room's only 10x13. That's not a great distance for the joists to span. Secondly, you probably have cabinet bases on one wall at least, reducing the usable space in the room. What can you possibly put in there (other than people) that would cause you to worry about the strength of the floor?

    Lastly, it may be time to move if this is to be a recurring issue, like frequent parties and everyone congregates in that room.

    The use of the engineer would be the landlord's call. You might be able to convince him to let you pay for the engineering study but what if it needs reinforcing? Who pays for that?

    Good Luck,

    Mike

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    Default Re: Weight Limitations for 2nd Floor Rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by ma2804 View Post
    What can you possibly put in there (other than people) that would cause you to worry about the strength of the floor?

    Mike
    Mike that's exactly what the OP asked about "I'm paranoid about too many people "hanging out in the kitchen" during the holidays" Perhaps the OP is a big party thrower.
    Jack
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    Default Re: Weight Limitations for 2nd Floor Rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by ma2804 View Post
    First of all, the room's only 10x13. That's not a great distance for the joists to span. Secondly, you probably have cabinet bases on one wall at least, reducing the usable space in the room. What can you possibly put in there (other than people) that would cause you to worry about the strength of the floor?
    You do have to remember this is a converted second floor of an old Victorian house. Unless the structure was reworked .... which may not be the case .... then there is more load on those floor joists than orginally intended. Keep in mind those cabinets , fridge , stove , dishes , pots and pans , people , etc. add more live load than a bedroom ...... which was probably the original layout of this space.

    The previous comments about the floor joists being compromised from notching , hacked , etc. is a real concern in the old homes.




    Lastly, it may be time to move if this is to be a recurring issue, like frequent parties and everyone congregates in that room.
    Sure ... you may be correct.

    The use of the engineer would be the landlord's call. You might be able to convince him to let you pay for the engineering study but what if it needs reinforcing? Who pays for that?
    Couldn't agree with you more in the case of a renter.
    Chances are the landlord might say take it or leave it.
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