****hiller and A.Spruce of course you guys are right,amazing how we somtimes miss the obvious cause Thanks.I have put weed and feed on the yard,once in June and again in August,no luck.The weeds are about 1 inch in diameter and resemble a lilypad,you know the things frogs sit on.Its been a pretty dry summer here in West Virginia.Anymore ideas.Also,im new here,how do i delete my question once its answered.