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    Exclamation Two 3-way switches another switch/outlets and a switch for ext light

    I have Two 3-way switches by my 2 doors in my home office that have not been working properly for years. Another switch for outlets and a switch for an exterior light. I need to know how to get this hooked up right. http://advice.thisoldhouse.com/image...s/confused.gif

    The one by the exterior door has a 3-way switch and an outdoor switch together. The one going into the kitchen has a 3-way switch and the switch for outlets. They both have 5 wires coming out. I've located the hot and the common wires doing conductivity tests.

    Can anyone help? I would sure appreciate it!

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    Default Re: Two 3-way switches another switch/outlets and a switch for ext light

    All three-way switch sets are wired this way

    A hot wire to the common on one switch and the load (light) wire to the common on the other switch and two traveler wires run between the two switches. Routing and wire color may vary.

    Single pole switches have a hot in and the load out.

    If you can post how many cables you have and how many wires in each cable, not counting grounds, we may be able to be more specific for your situation.

    Hope that helps.
    jack
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    Talking Re: Two 3-way switches another switch/outlets and a switch for ext light

    Jack's right on the money how they are logically wired. But it gets confusing because the power could come in at one of the switches or at the light, the light could be between the switches or one end or the other... you can see that drawing a diagram to fit your specific situation can be quite a guessing game!

    A long time ago, I had a "three-way switch" wiring FAQ. It would get between 2,000, and 4,000 hits per month. But then the server that it was on went down, and I still haven't taken the time to put it back up. Oh, well.

    You need to know how 3-way switches work internally if you're ever going to figure this out. It helps if you think of the electricity flow like water in a hose. A standard switch is like a faucet, and a three-way switch is like the diverter valve in your bathtub that send the water up to the shower.

    So you've got electricity coming in on the hot. It's connected to the "common" terminal on the first switch. This switch diverts the electricity to one or the other of the travelers. The second switch taps into one or the other travelers, directing the electricity to the common terminal which is in turn connected to the light. The neutral is like the drain; you NEVER have a valve in a drain! Oh -- I don't know if you noticed this or not, but you have to have two wires that go just between the switches with no lights or anything else connecting to them. These are the travelers.

    Anyway, what I'm getting at is this: if switch 1 is diverting to the black traveler, and switch 2 is tapping into the red traveler, electricity can't flow and the light doesn't come on. When you flip switch 1, now the electricity goes to the red traveler and the light comes on.

    Chances are you have a situation where a traveler is connected to the common, and either the hot or the light is connected to a traveler screw. On most 3-way switches, the common is identified by having a black colored screw; the other two are brass.

    I hope I've sufficiently confused you.
    Last edited by Fencepost; 08-08-2009 at 01:44 AM.
    The "Senior Member" designation under my name doesn't mean I know a lot, it just means I talk a lot.I've been a DIYer since I was 12 (thanks, Dad!). I have read several books on various home improvement topics. I do not have any current code books I can refer to. I was an apprentice plumber for two years.

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    Default Re: Two 3-way switches another switch/outlets and a switch for ext light

    id agree with fence post, the most common thing ya find is the traveler is crossed with the common.

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