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    Default Help K&T

    I have 2 lights & can only get one or the other to light, not both at the same time!
    Is there anyway I can get both to work?
    I think I have tried everything & have had 2 electricians stop by and still cant get both lights to work. The electricians say its k&t wire and I will not be cappable of getting it to work.(cant believe that)
    Going nuts here!

    Wires are labled left to right as they drop into the junction box.
    1&2 are comming from an out side light.
    3 is capped off, no idea where it comes from. not a hot wire.
    4&5, when hooked to a switch turns on/off the inside light.
    Wire #5 is hot.
    When 1 & 5 are to a switch (as shown)& 2&4 are wired together, the out side light works .
    I would like to get both lights working w/ one or 2 switches.
    Thanks
    John
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    Default Re: Help K&T

    Howdy have you changed any of the wires around before the light quit working together- did they ever?
    Consider dropping the light fixtures and seeing how they are wired and what wire is hot and when to eatch fixture.. Are they on a three way switch? 6 ways to wire a 3 way switch makes me scrathc my head... Some times the wire breaks old knob and tub wire wokrs but maybe a rodent has had a chew?

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    Default Re: Help K&T

    Just a guess. 1&2 are to the outside light. 4 is to the inside light with the inside light neutral connected at the light. 5 is a hot wire. The inside light switch would need to have 4 & 5 connected, the outside light would need 1& 5 connected to its switch and 2 connected to a neutral. Check for 120 volts between 5 and 3 if you have 120v then 3 is a neutral, connect to 3 to 2. But I would guess you are missing a neutral.
    Jack
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    Default Re: Help K&T

    Tim,
    Q1 NO, I did not change any of the wires around....and yes one works and not the other.

    Q2 Yes, I dropped the light and there are 2 wires...no idea what is hot or not. Cannot tell which wire goes where without ripping out the wall and ceiling. **NOT what I want to do**

    It's on a simple on/off toggle switch.

    That is a possibility that a wire is broken.

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    Jack,
    Correct. 1&2 are to the outside light.
    Yes, also correct about 4&5.
    No voltage between 5&3.
    I think you are also correct about missing a neutral.
    What I cant seem to get passed my head is, I CAN get BOTH lights to turn on & off.
    I cannot seem to figure out how to get them to both work independtly on there own switch or with the same switch.
    I can only get either one to work but not the other.
    It just seems to me if I can get both lights to work why cant I figure out a way to turn them on & off indepedently without adding another wire??? I feel like I'm so close to figuring it out but just cant do it!!
    Thanks

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    Default Re: Help K&T

    When both lights go on and off you have power to switch (5) from the switch to the outside light (1) through the outside light (2) to the inside light (4). The inside light is connected to the neutral in the ceiling box. In other words the lights are in series. You will need to bring a neutral to the box to connect to (2). Then you can install two switches with (5) hooked to both switches, (1) hooked to one switch and (4) hooked to the other. The new neutral wire would be hooked to (2). (3) is no doubt an old power feed to another light or outlet.
    Jack
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